Supersede Order Breakdown

@Jon I think with project supersede we will keep the “final version” (should be defined in August) as standard after run off the first production in Dec.2022. We designed supersede (and K2 concept started in 2015) already over 2 years long, that should bring this product to a certain stable level.

If you're referring to RM, the answer is Yes... always Yes. But they sell watches for millions of dollars, and are worn by celebrities around the globe, so they can afford to rest on their laurels if they want. 🤣

yes🤣🤣🤣(just noticed I didn’t put picture under “reply”😅)

It's a good question and the Home/reference hand can be confusing.

The home hand is the reference time hand and therefore it stays relatively put. The local hand is the hand you use everyday to reference the time where you are. Wherever you are you know whether it's night or day because you can simply look outside.

Therefore it does make sense that the home hand is slaved to the day/night indicator because if you are in a different timezone you would like to know if it is day or night back home.

I hope that helps out. Let me know otherwise. Thank you!

It depends on which spring will be used, then to choose matching material.

The balance wheel for K2 is gold plated. The balance wheel in the image shared above is in rhodium, but we will switch to gold for production.

@Mike G I misunderstood in your original comment as I now see what you intended. I had thought you were looking for a pvd coating of sorts on the edge of the rotor. Thanks @Navin Chohan for finding a reference.

@Navin Chohan I understand your thought and the 45 degree "Anglage" is a classic way of design, which for ex-sample patek used to do so, but for K2 we designed in a way of modern with light classic touching style, therefore we decide to go for more "clean" edges instead of anglage, you may check micro-rotor watch of richard mill, which has also no anglage to get more engineering touch 😉

@tzuyuhuang6 That's a nice justification for the design, although all I'm hearing is we're too lazy to make any design changes at this point 😂. Kidding, kidding. It's a gorgeous movement as it is and will wear it with pride!

Thank you very much @Navin Chohan. It's a massive project so Jonas and the engineers are continually optimizing things. It looks like we are getting close to the final production version of the movement which means we will be moving into production for Pre-order 1 and Pre-order 2 by July. This point answers your first question about changes to your pre-order. Please be sure to let us know by July at the latest as we will require those final numbers for dial, bracelet and strap production.

There is enough differentiation between the hands. This image is very close up and you can see just how much contrast there is between the two. The design team really wanted to have a hand that could hide elegantly behind the local time to keep the dial nice and clean when not travelling.

@tautu69 haha, it really is a whole world of us who are interested in this watch - for example, I am quite a heavy user of the second time zone function!

@landonstirling glad to hear that you guys are satisfied with the distinction between the hands, it’s reassuring to me as a regular second time zone user! Got to be said that the Supersede will be my first GMT watch which uses this hidden second 12 hour hand set up and I’m looking forward to trying it out.

In the meantime, I shall keep my eyes peeled for updates on those final media shots of the different dial colours, etc.

It's a great point. The combination of micro-rotor, GMT function, timing bezel and the proportions on offer are limited. The goal of Supersede is to create an all-terrain watch with a very comfortable low profile. The immersion scale idea is cool. I often utilized such functions a lot back in my diving instruction days. However adding more complication to Supersede such as an immersion scale would change the proportions considerably and it would become a a completely different purist dive watch at that stage. I think the design team has found a pretty good sweet spot.

Thanks Liam. The point you bring up on volume is good because I haven't elaborated on that point much. It's important to re-calibrate and zoom out a bit.

In the grand scheme of things the volume is a microscopic number when you consider how incredibly unique this project is.

Zooming out a bit we can ask ourselves one question.

How many limited edition projects from micro-brand to the top players utilize the same movements from the same movement suppliers?

Some of those same movement suppliers have been utilizing the same references for over 40 years with some small changes in those times. They are so successful that a thriving clone business can come of it. This amounts to hundreds of millions of mechanical movements in that time frame.

When looking at Horage projects such as Supersede or Tourbillon 1 or even K1. These projects are the first watches to use a completely new movement. K1, K2 and K-TOU are not clones, but ground up movement development projects non-reliant on existing architecture. They truly are historical moments for not only Horage, but also in Swiss watchmaking history.

Even if we sold 5000 pieces it still would be a flash in the pan in the big picture.

A personal observation I have made is that most brands use scarcity as a means to sell more old developments at a higher prices, with a fresh look. Old developments are inexpensive and this leaves more margin to work with for marketing. Things that are scarce in our world typically have a higher price. Creating a high price, low quantity, old developments watch means more creative story telling. There is nothing wrong with that because many do a great job of design as well and have some truly unique stories. After success some take steps to invest more in development which is truly great to see, but for others they still keep riding the scarcity train.

For Horage our heart is in making things from the ground up. This means far less margin, new developments and uniqueness for our customer.

At the price of Supersede we must reach some acceptable volume otherwise we simply could not do such projects at the given price. Limiting the number of watches limits our potential to do more. This is why we particularly like the time based pre-orders as it allows enough time for those genuinely interest in the project to take part as well as provide us with enough volume to keep investing in the future.

Sometimes I also need to stop and zoom out to see just how special these projects.

To do so I like to take the imaginary time machine because unfortunately Doc didn't manage to get us the Delorean we were all hoping for. Zoom out a little more, hop in your time machine and go back in time to the 1950's when you could be the first to order the first GMT function calibre 1065 from Rolex, found in the GMT Master. Then hop in the time machine to the late 70's when you were able to pick up the first micro-rotor calibre that Patek produced by them called the calibre 240 micro-rotor found in the Golden Eclipse. Those were pivotal times in history. Big movement projects like those are few and far between and here we are in 2022 with a completely new micro-rotor GMT. Who knows? Maybe we are writing some history for the new era of Swiss independents.

Thank you! All watches are marked with their number on the back starting with SG0001 and they go up from there. Additionally each movement has a unique COSC chronometer certification number/identifier etch on the bridge of the movement. This is because each Supersede movement is COSC chronometer certified. With COSC each movement is individually tested over a 15 day period. Once the movement has passed COSC, COSC then provides a certificate unique to your movement number. Many brands do not include this certificate even if it's chronometer certified as it bares additional operational costs to the brand to match certificates with movements.

The updates are a lot of fun to put together. There is always something happening and the hard part is trying to narrow things down without having to write a novel. Most times we are just scratching the surface as there is so much more going on behind the scenes. Its really great to hear you appreciate the updates and I will do my best to continue brining more of them to you. Thank you 🙌

Thank you very much for the appreciation into the escapement work. It's been over a decade of prototyping, revisions and fine tuning to arrive at the place we are today. Silicon when done right really is superior in many ways. The hard part is the investment in scientific and engineering processes because they create an incredibly high barrier to entry due to the limited access to know-how as well as the time and financial costs attributed to development. The good stuff takes time and we are quite content playing the long game. Thanks again!

Very happy to hear you like the look of the revised case prototype. We are eager to get some of them cased up and provide more details on the finish via our live stream. I'm not sure what colours will roll off the watchmakers table first. We will have to wait and see 😉

Thank you for the feedback for for sending an image for more detail. It's a great point and we will see what can be done on the production side. Thanks again!

Getting the crown aligned is pretty much impossible with screw down crowns. the treading is never the same and the rubber gasket changes over time. Rolex just has patented a very complex way to achieve this. I don’t think it is worth it.